I%26#39;m planning a holiday to the eastern side of the USA in April next year.
I want to visit NYK, Philadelphia, Washington, Charleston and Savannah and will use BA Air MIles to fly into and out of either NYK or Washington. As I see it I have 8 options (without backtracking) and would be interested to hear what people think of them. (I%26#39;m going to post this on the forums of all 5 cities):
1. NYK - train to Phil - train to Wash - fly to Sav - train to Charleston - fly to NYK.
2. NYK - train to Phil - train to Wash - fly to Charleston - train to Savannah - fly to NYK.
3. NYK - fly to Sav - train to Charleston - fly to Wash - train to Phil - train to NYK.
4. NYK - fly to Charleston - train to Savannah - fly to Wash - train to Phil - train to NYK.
5. Wash - train to Phil - train to NYK - fly to Sav - train to Charleston - fly to Wash.
6. Wash - train to Phil - train to NYK - fly to Charleston - train to Savannah - fly to Wash.
7. Wash - fly to Sav - train to Charleston - fly to NYK - train to Phil - train to Wash.
8. Wash - fly to Charleston - train to Savannah - fly to NYK - train to Phil - train to Wash.
I%26#39;m aiming to fly from the UK around the 8th April and return on about the 2nd May and thought going south first might be the best option.
Provisional stops would be 4 days in Charleston, 3 in Savannah, 4 in Washington, 4 in Philadelphia and 7 in NYK.
I%26#39;d like to visit Gettysburg and the Amish country so was wondering whether it might be sensible to stop somewhere for 8 days between Wash and Phil and just commute to the two cities.
If possible I would also prefer not to hire a car.
Many thanks and sorry to be so long winded.
Which way round and how long
You%26#39;ve obviously done your homework with respect to the transportation options! (I assume that by ';NYK'; you mean ';NYC'; - New York City.)
I would choose Option 1, with your BA flights into and out of EWR (Newark Liberty International Airport). The big advantage of flying into EWR intstead of into JFK, is that you can pick up an Amtrak train to Philadelphia directly from EWR, without extra ground transportation or ovrenight accommodations.
For your internal flight from Charleston to New York, you will find many options out of CHS, flying into either EWR or LGA (LaGuardia Airport).
Which way round and how long
You might consider getting an Amtrak rail pass. Pay one price and get a number of segments over a number of days.
I%26#39;d suggest...
Days 1,2, - New York (get used to the time change)
Fly to Savannah
Days 3, 4,5 - Savannah -
Days 6,7,8,9 - Charleston (just be sure you%26#39;re in Charleston before April 18 to attend some of the Historic Charleston foundation tours - www.historiccharleston.org then click on ';Festival of Houses and Gardens';)
Train to Washington DC (it%26#39;s not that bad a ride, plus the train is comfortable)
Days 10, 11, 12, 13 - Washington DC
Days 14,15, 16 Philadelphia (with a side trip to Lancaster via Amtrak to visit Amish country). However, I have no idea how convenient the station is to the ';sights';. Having lived just outside of Lancaster I can tell you that it is definitely worth a visit but I recall the best part was being in a car and driving past the farms, seeing all the carriages, and stopping for pretzels, handmade items, and scrapple. (well, the scrapple is an acquired taste that I never acquired much like Vegemite would be). I never did visit the Gettysburg site - can%26#39;t comment on that but you%26#39;ll get good info from the Philly forum.
Day 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 - New York
By my count, you have a few extra days. You might consider adding Boston, esp. if you get the rail pass, as Boston is not a bad ride from NY. (If there is any chance you can fly out of Boston back to the UK, all the better)
In summary, I think your #3 and #4 choices are good options, considering weather and the Historic Society tours.
Welcome to Charleston and enjoy the planning and your visit!
I normally completely agree with CultureHound, but not in this instance.
DO NOT take night(s) in the expensive, busy NYC area just to recover from jet lag. You can easily recover from jet lag in Phillie and Amish country.
The train trip from EWR to Philadelphia is SO quick that it is no more than a few minutes more than getting yourself to a hotel in New York.
My daughter frequently travels from London to Baltimore (south of Philadelphia) flying BA to EWR, and jumping on the train. It%26#39;s a no-brainer.
Come to think of it, Baltimore is another historic port city that you might enjoy. Check it out!
The train between Washington and Charleston is an option.
Going north from Charleston, the advantage is arrival at Union Station (Amtrak, Wash. DC), right in the heart of the city. Depending upon where you are staying, you may save big on cab fare. The disadvantage is that the train runs only twice each day and takes almost 12 hours.
The train passengers in ';coach'; between Charleston and Washington are an interesting assortment of regular people. If you enjoy meeting oddballs who love to talk, the train is ideal.
The scenery is interesting if you are traveling in daylight. The train goes virtually right through Quantico Marine Corps Base (famous to Americans, at least) in Northern Virginia.
The NY stop was suggested since I find that when I travel my visit is always better the second time around (and staying for a couple of days you get the lay of the land, maybe find that perfect hotel for the latter part of your trip.) Additionally, you%26#39;ll probably meet lots of locals on the remainder of your travels who will give you pointers on what to do, and you%26#39;ll already have a bit of the lay of the land so everything isn%26#39;t so new and confusing. Getting a couple of days of NY in early on leaves you with the option of adding Boston or maybe even the Jersey Shore (from Philadelphia you%26#39;ll be about 1 hour away from Atlantic City - a sight in itself). You might even get free transportation from NY or from Philly since there are numerous casino ';junkets'; that take busloads full of people daily. They don%26#39;t require that you gamble, (they just assume you will) and the Jersey boardwalk is unlike anything else in America. Just a thought!
If you can get an open jaw ticket with your BA miles, you might consider flying into Miami, working your way noth on the train, and flying home from New York. Or visa versa.
Along the coast between Miami and Savannah, you can visit the Kennedy Space Center, from which the shuttle departs, and St Augustine, FL, which is the oldest European city in the the United States (unless you count San Juan, Puerto Rico).
Or, taking CultureHound%26#39;s suggestion, start or end at Boston.
Thanks everybody - much appreciated.
I%26#39;ll have to double check with Air Miles but I don%26#39;t think it will let me fly into one city and out from another - it was possible at one time but not anymore.
Boston is not really an option as we spent a week there just after 9/11 and would really like to see the other cities.
I%26#39;ll look at the train options though.
Have a wonderful trip! I envy you, and I look forward to your trip report.
WaltR - for the Charleston part of your trip - to make sure you can fit in everything you would like to since you will only have 4 days here - I%26#39;m just listing some things you might like to do. Please let us know which interest you as some might only be available on weekdays, some only on weekends, etc.
1. Historic Society Tours of Homes and Gardens - www.historiccharleston.org - each day there are about 9 homes featured on a walking tour that you do at your own leisure, visiting the private homes and gardens of residents of the homes South of Broad Street. This goes on for a month, and you%26#39;ll be here then, so it%26#39;s a ';must do';. Beautiful; takes a few hours total.
2. Carriage ride - a horse, or mule, and driver take you and about a dozen people on a narrated tour of the historic district. There are a number of routes and technically you could go several times and not overlap tours. About 1 hour.
3. Walking Historic Tour - there are several of these, each with a theme. We like the Historic tour and the Civil War tour. I like the ones that leave from the Mills House. About 2 1/2 hours. [some people like the Ghost tours as well)
4. Harbor Cruise to Ft. Sumter - Lovely boat ride takes you in the Charleston Harbor to Ft. Sumter. While at the Fort, a Park Ranger explains the history of the ';Conflict'; and there is a nice museum. About 3 hours total.
5. Yorktown/Patriot%26#39;s Point - you could take a harbor taxi across the Cooper River to Mt. Pleasant, where you can tour the Yorktown (aircraft carrier) and see other items of military interest. About 5 hours total.
6. The Hunley - this is the Civil War submarine that was dredged up (very carefully) from feet of silt in the harbor only a few years ago. It is undergoing preservation so it is only open to the public on weekends, but is quite fascinating. About 4 hours total.
7. The Plantations - you can spend 1/2 day or more at each one. Most visitors only have time to visit one, but the ';big 4'; are: Boone Hall, Magnolia Plantation, Middleton Plantation, Drayton Hall. THey typically have re-enactions of what life was like on the plantations in the early days.
8. The beaches - if you do everything above, you%26#39;ll need a 1/2 day or so to just relax. Our beaches are VERY close by and very nice. It will be too chilly for locals to swim in April but, trust me, there will be swimmers! The beaches north of Charleston (10 minutes to 25 minutes north) will also be good places for looking for shells -(good time of year for sand dollars) and a great place to go for long walks on a beach ';made for'; beachwalking. Also good for windsurf watching. On the way, you%26#39;ll pass Shem Creek which is the year-round place to view dolphins and pelicans.
9. Take the Gullah tour - shows the unique perspective of the history of the Gullah culture in the Lowcountry.
10. Take an ';eco-tour'; - a boat leaves from Isle of Palms or from Awendaw, taking you to an uninhabited island where you%26#39;ll see (depending on the time of year) alligators, snakes, birds, turtles, etc. Along with the eco-theme is the Birds of Prey center. Shem Creek is worth a visit if you have the time (it is the place were the shrimp boats are docked; the creek is lined with restaurants and bars)
11. Our museums and art galleries and aquarium would be great for rainy days, as would an afternoon at a Lowcountry cooking class.
12. Just walking around the area south of Broad Street; shopping on King Street or at the Market; spending some relaxation time at Waterfront Park, etc.
13. You could take additional tours to see: the Charleston Tea Plantation (only place in America that grows its own tea leaves) and see the famous Angel Oak.
14. You should also be aware that Charleston is a place where there are MANY all-city events, such as Harborfest, the Cooper River Bridge Run, Tall Ships Festival, Dragon Boat races (new), the Spoleto Festival and Piccolo-Spoleto, etc etc. If you should come during one of those events you might want to participate in them instead of one of the other things on the list.
I%26#39;m sure I left some things out that later I%26#39;ll be horrified to have missed, but let us know what interests you so we can help you pare down the acitivites to your schedule. Don%26#39;t try to do it all - take a day just to relax and enjoy. If you have time to eat and sleep, we have restaurants and hotels as well! :)
(see ';Things to Do'; for more ideas!)